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Bush: Massive Deportation Not Realistic
Associated Press, by Nedra Pickler

Original Article

Posted By:NorthernDog, 4/24/2006 1:47:46 PM

IRVINE, Calif. - President Bush, rebutting lawmakers advocating a law-and-order approach to immigration, said Monday that those who are calling for massive deportation of the estimated 11 million foreigners living illegally in the United States are not being realistic. "Massive deportation of the people here is not going to work," Bush said as a Congress divided over immigration returned from a two-week recess. "It's just not going to work."

Comments:
Can we stop the massive importation?

Reply 1 - Posted by: idahojoe, 4/24/2006 1:51:41 PM

Just deny welfare, make businesses follow hiring laws, deny amnesty and provide free rides back and you won't have to deport any. They'll all go back on their own.


Reply 2 - Posted by: micktexan, 4/24/2006 1:52:52 PM

We don't have to deport anyone...they will do it themselves if they can't get jobs.

How about enforcing the existing laws, huh. Is this too difficult for anyone? I think NOT!


Reply 3 - Posted by: olderyzer, 4/24/2006 1:53:19 PM

Buy stock in vaseline now!


Reply 4 - Posted by: god of irony, 4/24/2006 1:56:20 PM

Charge companies that hire them large fines and split the money with the people who turn them in. Just watch how fast our amgigos go home.


Reply 5 - Posted by: Nan, 4/24/2006 2:01:28 PM

Unfortunately, I am not with dubya on this illegal immigrant train he is riding.

Bush: Massive Deportation Not Realistic

This is very true. So, go after the companies that hire them. Huge fines would be an excellent start.

The flood would slow to a trickle if the laws were enforced about hiring illegal aliens.


Reply 6 - Posted by: perfectsense, 4/24/2006 2:05:40 PM

America is being annexed by Mexico. The Mexican govenment does not provide services in English. You will need to learn to read, write and speak Spanish to collect your Social Security benefits.


Reply 7 - Posted by: typhoon, 4/24/2006 2:06:09 PM

Deportation obviously won't work when the president doesn't want it to work, but shutting down the welfare teat and punishing the enablers of illegal aliens will work. More power to the Minutemen. My dollars are going to the Minutemen now rather than to the Republicans or Democrats.


Reply 8 - Posted by: reddog, 4/24/2006 2:09:32 PM

Since when is a President able to shirk his sworn duty because it is "not realistic?" Deporting illegals is at least as "realistic" as turning Iraq into as Jeffersonian Republic.


Reply 9 - Posted by: T-Bubba, 4/24/2006 2:10:00 PM

Walk into your kitchen, which is flooded with six inches of water, the faucet is running, the drain is clogged, and a mop is in the corner.

What to do FIRST?

Turn off the water, dummy!


Reply 10 - Posted by: bean, 4/24/2006 2:10:31 PM

I'm with #1


Reply 11 - Posted by: Hayes, 4/24/2006 2:13:00 PM

Hey W'ya, I'll tell you what is realistic, You can count out my vote for any Republiexio who believes we don't need a wall, don't need to deport, and wants to legalize these Aliens. If they all use only 1 gallon of gas or energy needs per day, thats 11 million gallons. What happen to the price of gas if they were not here using our gas supplies. They'd be back in Mexico riding their donkeys.


Reply 12 - Posted by: super, 4/24/2006 2:14:36 PM

President Bush: You have the rich industrial capitalist in your back pocket. Massive deportation can work if you want it to. Stop the benefits, enforce the laws, and they will stop crossing the border. Build the darn wall. There are record numbers of illegals crossing these last few months. This is ridiculous! You are going to tell me the world's super power can't stop illiterate uneducated poor people from Mexico and other countries (including the Middle East) from coming over. We, the people, American citizens, who care about this country, are not stupid! We have not drunk the kool-aid!!!!


Reply 13 - Posted by: crebs, 4/24/2006 2:17:19 PM

They will not leave if they can't get jobs. They'll stay for the freebies. Look at Europe. We already give our illegals free health care & schooling plus food for the kiddies.
Now the Democrat have a new and growing welfare class to mine for illegal votes.

A Massive deportation is necessary.


Reply 14 - Posted by: matanzas, 4/24/2006 2:18:52 PM


Bush says this will not work.. because he doesn't want it to work... shame on you George!!


Reply 15 - Posted by: NewYorkProud, 4/24/2006 2:19:29 PM

...I never thought I'd be THIS DISAPPOINTED with President Bush over any one particular issue but here he is - completely out of touch with the will of MOST Americans, and totally intransigent.

Politically and morally - shameful...


Reply 16 - Posted by: mjsp, 4/24/2006 2:19:32 PM

I support #7's idea. I will not give another cent the the republican party or a republican candidate. I have supported the swift boaters in the past and from now on, the minute men and the swift boaters will have my support financially and any other way available. I feel our president is just biding his time until his term is up. Great first four years, second term lousy.


Reply 17 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 4/24/2006 2:21:10 PM

When George Bush campaigned as ''A Uniter, not a Divider'', few realized that he was referring to the populations of the United States and Mexico.


Reply 18 - Posted by: Bugg, 4/24/2006 2:21:55 PM

Illegal aliens disrespecting America's laws-reality.

President Bush respecting the laws of this country-unrealistic, apparently.

American citizens respecting President Bush after more moronic statetments like this on this issue-very unrealistic.

Just let'em run wild, Jorge Arbusto.

Next time you tell us how important it is to elect Republicans, we'll realistically stay home instead.



Reply 19 - Posted by: GOPatriot, 4/24/2006 2:22:44 PM

Someone suggest massive taxes on companies that hire illegally. The government would be all for it. The money could go directly to pay for the lack of taxes collected on these remoras. Once the punishments started then the current crop would have to redeem or go home.


Reply 20 - Posted by: Caprine, 4/24/2006 2:25:50 PM

What did we learn from the Clinton years? That's right.
How to parse sentences.
In this case, the operative word is "massive".
The President is playing games with the language and, IMHO, trying to frame the debate by characterizing these illegal invaders as just simple folk looking for a way to feed their families.
The President knows perfectly well how to drive the illegals out of this country, but he won't do it.
I don't appreciate him playing cutsey and condescending on this issue. Here we go again. Loyalty is a two way street.


Reply 21 - Posted by: NewKid, 4/24/2006 2:27:50 PM

I am surprised that you are all surprised. Mr. Bush is a one-worlder and he always has been. Don't expect him to think American first with regards to the "peaceful" religion of islam or in regard to illegal aliens. GET OVER IT and quit complaining. We could have gotten worse with Kerry or Gore who, BTW, would have done the same and worse.


Reply 22 - Posted by: maggie2u, 4/24/2006 2:28:14 PM

Bill the Mexican Government for every damn penny spent on illegals...for medical, welfare, housing, schooling and prison. That will stop the flow of illegals.


Reply 23 - Posted by: Greybird, 4/24/2006 2:34:10 PM

#22 - Bu=ill them, but let them pay in Oil.

On another note - I can find plenty of laws that just "Don't work" . . .


Reply 24 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 4/24/2006 2:34:21 PM

#20, this technique is also known as setting up a straw man - in order to misrepresent the position of your opponent. Usually it's to make your opponent’s position appear more extreme (and unrealistic) than it actually is. Anyone reading the border-control rhetoric on this site for the last two or so weeks knows that we have a very realistic view of the problem and ''massive deportation'' is not among our immediate goals.

Someone hasn't done his homework or is being ...

I can’t say it. But we are selling our birthright for a mess of potage.


Reply 25 - Posted by: CEP, 4/24/2006 2:34:49 PM

I heard this speech, I wasn't impressed with President Bush on this. I'm sick of hearing the "jobs Americans won't do", "just poor folk trying to better themselves" blah, blah, blah. Enforce the laws on the books NOW, if they start enforcing the laws, massive deportation will not be needed. Just start picking them up one at at time, like the snuck in one at a time. Before long a dent will be made in the ILLEGAL alien population.


Reply 26 - Posted by: slickwillie2001, 4/24/2006 2:41:20 PM

You forgot the liberals' solution 9 -drink all you can.


Reply 27 - Posted by: thelmalou, 4/24/2006 2:46:39 PM

I'm with #1. Also, ditto #15 - utterly disappointing.


Reply 28 - Posted by: nosillod, 4/24/2006 2:47:57 PM

If the laws of tax collection and payment were simply enforced, the illegal alien problem would solve itself. If I paid my employees cash and didn't pay or collect any withholding I would be arrested and charged with tax evasion. There is a man in this town who did that same thing and he has been arrested. Why are employers who hire illegal aliens given a pass on this? Basically we taxpayers are subsidizing those employers who bypass the tax system. After all, you don't see the government spending less, they just collect more taxes. (Anyone here not paying more in property taxes? AMT taxes? Sales Taxes.)


Reply 29 - Posted by: pogo1776, 4/24/2006 2:49:31 PM

I'll donate to the minutemen for a section of border fence. Better use of my funds than to donate to the Republican Party.


Reply 30 - Posted by: thelmalou, 4/24/2006 2:54:30 PM

Good idea, #29.

You know, I'm beginning to believe that George has a love child with a Mexican maid somewhere in his past. I don't really think that, of course, but his position - and as another poster said, intransigence - on this issue is truly baffling.

George, we'll tell you like we tell them...there might be 11 million of them, but there are 200 million of us. If you don't want to kill the Republican Party for years to come, you might want to take heed.


Reply 31 - Posted by: Ratt, 4/24/2006 2:56:13 PM


One more time,,,

Mr. President Sir , we have lost Washington State , Oregon , California , Arizona , New Mexico and now Texas to Illegal Immigration.

They are marching in our streets demanding the same rights our forefathers fought and died for to give us. The same rights you and your fellow Politicians are legislating away.

Mr. President , your Father and the last 5 Presidents have given amnesty in the disguise of Immigration Reform Acts to over 30 million Illegal Mexican Immigrants. We cannot as a Nation maintain our Heritage if you Sir , keep rewarding illegal behavior.

When we voted you back into office we gave you an agenda , and at the top of that agenda was Illegal Immigration Control.

You said after Katrina the buck stops here.

Well , it's time to stand up like the Great President we know you are and take control of the tide of Illegal Immigration by the horns , before the US/Mexico Border becomes our Gaza Strip.

So, for the Love of God Sir , do something.

Thank You,


Reply 32 - Posted by: meanwesttexan, 4/24/2006 3:03:07 PM

The Dims missed a huge chance running to the right of Bush on immigration.

They'd have won 06 and 08.


Reply 33 - Posted by: applepie, 4/24/2006 3:03:44 PM

When I saw George Bush after 9-11, with his arm around that fireman, I cried. And, again, when he got off the jet in full flight garb, I cried. My love and pride for that man was almost like a bride feels for her husband, but in a patriotic way. I loved our country and our President with a passion.

Today, I turn off the tv, when he comes on the screen. In my gut, I feel betrayed. I feel like I have experienced the death of a loved one, and I am going through the grieving process.

(Stage two, at this time.)


Reply 34 - Posted by: votedforbush, 4/24/2006 3:14:21 PM

#20 - You forgot 'insulting' along with condescending and cutsy. Bush said this morning that he favors the Senate bill - NO enforcement - just amnesty.

He is one big disappointment. We 'can do' in Iraq - but we 'can't do' in America.

www.borderfenceproject.com


Reply 35 - Posted by: ShannonM, 4/24/2006 3:18:21 PM

Massive incarceration of all pot smokers (along with illegal drug users) is not realistic.

Have compassion - Set them free!!

**Twinkling Eyes with ((HUGS to everyone))**

Yeah... Sarcasm...


Reply 36 - Posted by: mobyclik, 4/24/2006 3:18:42 PM

In my best Ronald Reagan voice:

''Mr. Bush, BUILD UP THAT WALL!''


Reply 37 - Posted by: baja_ha, 4/24/2006 3:27:18 PM

U.S. Constitution:

Article I, Section 8. The Congress shall have power to... provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions...


It's time for Congress to step up to the plate and do its job.

Congressmen shouldn't be scared -- GWB hasn't vetoed a bill yet.

What are they waiting for??


Reply 38 - Posted by: Orion, 4/24/2006 3:29:22 PM

Number one: Build the wall. We can worry about illegals already here and what to do about seasonal workers later. We HAVE to regain control of our southern border or it's going to bite us in the backside some day.

If the only thing Congress passed this year was funds for a border wall I'd be delighted. It's the least controversial part of the plan. Next year they can come back and argue about how many seasonal workers we need. It'll take 2-3 years to build the wall, anyway.


Reply 39 - Posted by: Ratt, 4/24/2006 3:34:02 PM


Mr. President ?

Instead of quoting rhetoric , do you think you could stop for a minute and explain to us concerned citizens why you won't close the US/Mexico Border ?

I would really appreciate.
,


Reply 40 - Posted by: chatham, 4/24/2006 3:38:13 PM

Bush couldn't be more wrong if he tried.
# 1 has it just about right.

Resurrect those landing barges used during the second world war, fill them up with Illegals in southern mexico and drop them off on the beaches in mexico.

But first stop the invasion and stop these supporters of Illegal immigration from spouting their specious arguements on T.V.


Reply 41 - Posted by: PJSam, 4/24/2006 3:39:01 PM

I wonder if Pres Bush uses illegals on his ranch and so shows his compassion by giving them US taxpayer entitlements.

There are no happy US citizens on Conservative talk radio in California today after hearing Pres Bush's speech.....one young women who works at the radio station (blond) says she has been stopped 9 times in the recent past by border patrol while she drives her hot sports car to work...."is this your car?" they ask while the illegals drive by .....


Reply 42 - Posted by: steveW, 4/24/2006 3:39:07 PM

There is no question but that our borders could be enforced. The question no one - sadly, including our president - is addressing, is WHY they aren't. This is not a matter of "can't" but "won't", and the current situation makes a laughingstock out of our immigration laws. If the government won't (repeat - won't, not can't) enforce immigration laws, with what right does it enforce other laws that anyone may choose to break? The elephant in the living in all this is enforcement. To claim that the USA "can't" do something as clear cut as that is almost blasphemous.


Reply 43 - Posted by: bighambone, 4/24/2006 3:40:10 PM

Bush pitched a shellgame and used code words and strawman arguements to further his amnesty cause, he said that he did not favor "automatic citizenship" for illegal aliens, but nobody has proposed that! He also came out against mass deportations of the up to 20 million illegal aliens here now, but nobody has proposed that!

What the Government must do is secure the borderline, and re-issue the US social security card, not as an unsecure and useless "tamperproof" card that can be used by imposters, but as a modern high security biometric card that can be electronically verified. Then make that card the only card that employers can accept at hire to show a right to work in the USA. Employers must then be required, under penalty of a $10,000.00 fine, to review the biometric identifiers on the card to ensure that it is being presented by the rightful bearer, and electronically verify the validity of the card itself.

Then most illegal aliens will not be able to get jobs, and the illegal immigration stituation will reverse itself with most illegals self-repatriating themselves back home.


Reply 44 - Posted by: Coy860, 4/24/2006 3:41:31 PM

Hey W, how about throwing a little of that COMPASSION at the working slobs who are being FORCED to pay for the education of illegal's children, and all their medical care.


Reply 45 - Posted by: PJSam, 4/24/2006 3:50:37 PM

I wish a business owner would show the public through a Conservative talk radio show why Pres Bush is wrong....he can run 2 businesses ...one using illegals and one following US laws and taxes.......show the difference and how much money he makes....


Reply 46 - Posted by: bighambone, 4/24/2006 3:53:30 PM

When Bush started talking "about jobs that Americans will not do" he used an example of a Texas rancher someplace in the middle of Texas not being able to find any Americans wanting to work and then hiring a "willing" Mexican. That was, to anyone who knows anything about this issue, absolutely the worst example that he could have given. Back during the Bracero days when Mexican farm workers were allowed to legally temporarily enter the USA to work in agriculture, there were times that Mexcio refused to allow Braceros to work in Texas at all for such ranchers, because the Bracero workers were severely mistreated there. It was also a bad example in this day and age because only about 15% of illegal aliens in the USA work on farms and ranches, most are actually working in USA non-agricultural industries.


Reply 47 - Posted by: tocsin, 4/24/2006 3:54:08 PM


comments@whitehouse.gov.


Reply 48 - Posted by: gop juggernaut redux, 4/24/2006 3:55:38 PM

It isn't politically viable to throw them out. And big business likes the cheap labor. Fine. Deal with the ones here, make them now play by the rules if they want to stay and have a shot at citizenship.

But at the same time, close the freaking border. And bring the hammer down on businesses that use illegal labor.


Reply 49 - Posted by: luvreagan, 4/24/2006 3:59:03 PM

Man, this clown has been an utter disappointment. These "compassionate" conservatives are selling our national autonomy down the pike while embracing the "religion of peace" are killing us. Maybe he can do another deal with UAE mediated by that legal powerhouse Harriet Myers!


Reply 50 - Posted by: thewarden, 4/24/2006 4:00:21 PM

I'm so tired of this wimpy ''we can't do anything about it'' mantra coming from the White House. Total bunk. Build a wall, enforce the laws already on the books and cut off the freebies. I'm sick of it. Bush is wrong, wrong, wrong on this one. Betrayal--pure and simple.


Reply 51 - Posted by: raphaela, 4/24/2006 4:00:49 PM

Only middle class white folks need to follow the laws in America.


Reply 52 - Posted by: casual observer, 4/24/2006 4:03:15 PM

will this change his approval rating?


Reply 53 - Posted by: jasmine, 4/24/2006 4:03:39 PM

Enforcing our laws is YOUR DUTY, Mr. Bush.

There is no excuse for delaying daily the deportations of illegals, and daily jailing of their employers. Such action is legal, justified, and in the best interests of the American people. Please do your job. Thank you.


Reply 54 - Posted by: Daisymay, 4/24/2006 4:03:53 PM

HOW LOW CAN HE GO!! Apparently, Bush doesn't CARE how LOW his Approval Ratings go. Apparently, he doesn't CARE if Republicans LOSE the HOUSE AND SENATE this Fall. Apparently he doesn't care WHAT We, THE VOTERS, who put him in office think. Certainly he READS the Polls that say 80% of the American People want Immigration laws ENFORCED. I worked for him, both elections. I can't tell you how disappointed I am in him! BUT..I will still vote in November for Republicans WHO LISTEN and do something about ILLEGALS...if they don't...I will vote for whoever is running against them in the Primary!


Reply 55 - Posted by: mollybob, 4/24/2006 4:06:40 PM

It seems to me that many here have fallen prey to a Gestapo mentality when it comes to deportation. In reality, massive deportation on a scale that would effectively solve the problem IS totally unrealistic, any way you slice it. We'd look like we were loading up the boxcars to Treblinka, and it's certain that world opnion would characterize it that way. The problem has simply gone on far too long. To say otherwise is to give in to hysteria rather than contributing to a workable solution.

The bureacratic infrastructure is definitely not on our side, and as we have seen in the CIA embroglio, many within the system are willing to flaut the law and the WH. Unless WE demand it, things will not change. I agree that we need to cut off all beenfits and start to fine employers now, but WE (that's us folks) also need to put pressure on local and state officials who regularly ignore the existing laws. WE need to put pressure on businesses, such as banks, that have programs for illegals. WE need to be in the streets making ourselves heard.


Reply 56 - Posted by: lonetown, 4/24/2006 4:08:40 PM

This is the result of 20 years of political malfeasance, however, #1 is right. Cut off the money and the problem will quickly resolve itself.


Reply 57 - Posted by: Ratt, 4/24/2006 4:09:09 PM


I don't think the President is being realistic , you see , us ordinary citizens don't have a 5,000 acre Ranch in Texas to buffer us from the reality of Illegal Immigration.

But , there will be some good come out this .

Our fine Politicians will no longer be able to dodge this issue. In the next few weeks we will find out exactly where those very same Politicians stand.

I can't wait.
,


Reply 58 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 4/24/2006 4:12:37 PM

Once again #55, massive deportation is not the primary objective of the folks on this thread.

Small scale deportation of lawbreakers (small crimes, etc.), those rounded up when busting a business owner, those causing traffic accidents, DUIs etc. But no one, no one here today is proposing neighborhood round ups at gun point, blah, blah, blah. That is just straw man talk.

We simple folk are a lot more sophisticated than you may think.


Reply 59 - Posted by: yuban, 4/24/2006 4:17:15 PM

And here I thought they were rounding themselves up on May 1.


Reply 60 - Posted by: baja_ha, 4/24/2006 4:21:47 PM

Mexcio refused to allow Braceros to work in Texas at all for such ranchers, because the Bracero workers were severely mistreated there.

Source, please, #46? Thanks.


Reply 61 - Posted by: Chief, 4/24/2006 4:21:52 PM

Maybe mass deportation is not feasible,but we sure as hell can stop anymore from comming in and it is time to do that.Last weekend they were protesting for illegals right up the road from here and I live in Collinsville Illinois for God's sake.The whole darn country is infested with these people and it needs to stop. SAT CONG


Reply 62 - Posted by: heyboom, 4/24/2006 4:24:13 PM

It is NOT realistic to expect a mass deportation. I think this program can work if they enforce existing laws, go after businesses that hire illegals and give those that are already here working some type of guest worker status. No amnesty, but if they start paying their fair share of taxes, that would relieve a lot of the financial burden they place on American citizens. Oh, and build the wall!

This is a case where our compassion has contributed to the problem, but I don't want to destroy these people either. That's my two cents, anyway.


Reply 63 - Posted by: seattlekid, 4/24/2006 4:26:22 PM

There is something you can do Mr. President to make them want to go home. Sign a presidential order that out laws the sending of money in any form to Mexico.
No post office drafts, no bank drafts, no social security checks!


Reply 64 - Posted by: berserker, 4/24/2006 4:26:51 PM

GWB is not worried about America, it's not realistic because Mexico couldn't handle the exodus. Where would they put the influx of 12 million people? Besides, the Democrats need this newly created welfare state of 12+ million illegals for votes.

Who cares if the overrun the westen coast of America, we'll deal with that during the next election cycle. After all, what's a politician to do if they have no issues. /s


Reply 65 - Posted by: Yorkiemom, 4/24/2006 4:27:01 PM

I noticed that Nedra got a double shot at Bush in this article when she wrote that the Minutemen were protesting Bush, and others were protesting his stand on immigration and the Iraq War. Now, if the Minutemen had been on Bush's side, Nedra would not have seen them.

Don't we all know that both sides will sell us down the river on this immigration business?


Reply 66 - Posted by: wsdiego, 4/24/2006 4:30:13 PM

I heard Rush talk about the Ports are afraid of losing their people to run the operation! Now I know those are 80 to 100 thousand dollar jobs. I think we can find Americans to take them!


Reply 67 - Posted by: ClangClang, 4/24/2006 4:31:48 PM

There shouldn't even be any discussion of deportation, guest workers, amnesty etc. until the borders are secure. Until we have control over the borders, all the rhetoric coming from the whitehouse and senate is just more kicking the can down the road for the next guy to clean up.

But the problem needed to be addressed yesterday. These people are playing games with our very lives. The GOP is going to be stunned by the losses in the next election.


Reply 68 - Posted by: MsFalconersCabanaBoy, 4/24/2006 4:32:05 PM

The anger here is palpably hilarious.


Reply 69 - Posted by: Ratt, 4/24/2006 4:34:34 PM


Exactly # 59,,,,,

Mr. President , on May 1st there will be Millions , I mean Millions of Illegal Mexican Immigrants protesting in the streets of America. This would be a fine day to start that Massive Deportation
Roundup and send them Illegal Mexican Immigrants packing.

,


Reply 70 - Posted by: gop_guys, 4/24/2006 4:35:17 PM

I love my president but I think he's wrong on this one. It was painful hearing him try to make the case of enforcing our laws on the books while defending the illegals as ''hard working fathers trying to put food on the table for their families.''

I'd like to see the IRS show some of that same compassion while enforcing the law.

Lots of good ideas on this thread. Bottom line is when the money and the benefits dry up; the problem is solved. Enforcing the law on the books will do just that.


Reply 71 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 4/24/2006 4:44:26 PM

GeE I read everyb post and and really thought the majority of you was inssting on gun point round up and shove them in cattle trucks.
R.R did achieve amnesty lest ye forget.
Did you all miss the part where the pres said existing laws should be enforced maybe you saw red after the headline and didn't bother with the rest.
The vaunted minuet men would be more helpful volunteering to assist classify the many illegals so the lawa can be applied.


Reply 72 - Posted by: bighambone, 4/24/2006 4:46:07 PM

Reply to #60.

See www.farmworkers.org

You can also find references to Mexico refusing to allow Braceros in almost any history of the Bracero Program, both on and off the web.


Reply 73 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 4/24/2006 4:52:36 PM

P.S. YOU too can hAve a hundred thou OR or more paycheck managing ports and terminals after you earn several degrees and then start adding the special marine and sea law degrees unless of course you belong to a stevadoe union that makes sure every item is handled manually then you can sit on butt and get pid. .


Reply 74 - Posted by: Ratt, 4/24/2006 4:53:19 PM


I have not missed anything,,,,,

Congress and the sitting President are fixin to give 15 - 20 Million Illegal Mexican Immigrants Amnesty.

Now , where do I go to get that 5-Year Tax-Exempt Card ?
,


Reply 75 - Posted by: votedforbush, 4/24/2006 4:55:31 PM

We obviously haven't learned a thing from the 1986 Reagan Amnesty. Bush is hell-bent to make that mistake again.

As far as Bush 'saying' existing laws should be enforced - he's had over 5 years to get going on it and he's proven to be worse than the Clinton administration. Bush let employers have a pass. At least ol' Bubba's people did arrest employers and had them fined. (Source: Time Magazine "America's Border" 9-20-04). Ol' Bubba used to answer my letters on illegal immigration. Bush never answers letters on that subject. Karl Rove was quoted as saying they get thrown in the round file.

There's enough to get upset over - if you're a taxpaying, honest, Republican, American citizen. And if we vote - we have the right to rail.


Reply 76 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter, 4/24/2006 4:58:00 PM

Then just provide them bus tickets to Crawford.


Reply 77 - Posted by: athina, 4/24/2006 5:04:24 PM

I think the president is being somewhat disingenuous and condescending with this statement. OK, he follows up with we have to enforce existing laws, etc. But I think the headline statement about massive deportation implies that most of us think that's what should happen, and that we're too stupid to figure out that that is nearly impossible.

We have said, here at this site, where the administration OUGHT to be finding out what sensible people want to see happen -- we have overwhelmingly said to first protect the border, to penalize companies that hire them, and to deport illegal immigrants as they are discovered. That is not a demand for ''massive deportation'', like we want the police to go around knocking at doors and rounding up illegals and putting them in cattle cars back to Mexico.

If deporting them as you find them proves to be too onerous a task, we can figure something else out. But certainly our primary emphasis has been on stopping the flood and enforcing current laws. Don't insult us and spin our demands as being some kind of mob think. That's just rude.


Reply 78 - Posted by: nevernaught, 4/24/2006 5:08:21 PM

I heard parts of this speech today. *It's the Coyotes or smugglers fault, not the invaders fault. These are all hard working people*. Yes, I saw them demonstrating with a Mexican flag flying over an upside down American flag. *We just can't kick these people out*...yes we can by sending them back where they belong. All 12 million of them.

The president doesn't have to motor around out there with illegals driving uninsured wrecks with counterfeit drivers licenses. They can't even read the traffic signs.

I voted for this President. I supported the war in Iraq. I watched him buddy up with Teddy Kennedy and let him write another boondoggle spending bill. I watched him increase federal spending by 25%. This was the last straw today. Is this the new direction the White House is heading now?

The Republican committee called yesterday and my wife told them to take a hike. I say the same. I've been back stabbed by too many so called fellow Republicans lately. Arlen Expectorate did the same thing yesterday.


Reply 79 - Posted by: mollybob, 4/24/2006 5:11:31 PM

RE#58
The point being made about "massive deportation" was this: Deporation is not a solution unless it's done on a huge scale, which for many reasons is totally unworkable. And because of the high levels of recidivism, limited deportation has little impact. Having lived for almost fifty years on the border, I can attest to the fact that it is a self-defeating waste of manpower...which is why they stopped doing it.

There are those who say, "Massive deportation can work if you want it to." (see #12) and "Resurrect those landing barges used during the second world war, fill them up with Illegals in southern mexico and drop them off on the beaches in mexico." (see #40) That sounds "massive" to me.

The point is, limited deportation is not really effective, and massive deportation is too draconian. We need other answers, and people like us have to establish enough grassroots political will to make those answers work.


Reply 80 - Posted by: cpmjohn, 4/24/2006 5:13:21 PM

Mr. President:
If your new spokesman thought up that "Massive Deportation: Nada" line, fire him!
It made you sound as ignorant, childish and condescending as the Demos make you out to be.


Reply 81 - Posted by: Gretchen, 4/24/2006 5:20:28 PM

I heard a soundbite from Bush's speech. It was nauseating in its pandering. But, from a few of the comments on this thread, he's apparently succeeding in framing the debate to make those in favor of secure borders look bad by claiming they want mass deportation. Sounds like something right out of a Clinton playbook.

I agree that my money will be going to the Minutemen. And, #68, I think 'anger' is a bit tame for the description of how some are feeling. It's past anger and well into being motivated to take action.


Reply 82 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 4/24/2006 5:27:07 PM

#79, Many Mexicans came over with the intent to make money and then spend retirement in Mexico with family where life is cheaper. Somehow they became entrenched and ''family'' moved here.

If we can get half these folks to eventually self deport then many will be content. Methods to help ensure self deporting have been mentioned already on the site and include (but are not limited to): social security number enforcement, no SS, Medicare, SS Disability benefits (that is no Green Cards), no drivers licenses, if you are pulled over your ID and insurance is checked and - wham bam - you are suddenly sitting Ol' Mexico. Checking up on the ''homeless'' on LA streets could easily yield 20% of them as illegals.

I think that if I had to live under those conditions and had family back home, I'd self deport.


Reply 83 - Posted by: mollybob, 4/24/2006 5:38:07 PM

RE: "...he's apparently succeeding in framing the debate to make those in favor of secure borders look bad by claiming they want mass deportation. Sounds like something right out of a Clinton playbook." (#81)

That is so disengenuous it makes me laugh!
There are those right here on this thread who are advocating massive deportation. It's an idea that is definitely on the table. As a matter of fact, unless it's done on a massive scale, deportation is a total waste of effort, but of course it's a ridiculous idea for many other reasons. As for the other stuff, the nickel-and-diming of illegals back to Mexico, that was done for decades, but it was found to be a huge exercise in futility.


Reply 84 - Posted by: CEP, 4/24/2006 5:41:14 PM

#55, you said: "We'd look like we were loading up the boxcars to Treblinka"

Wrong scenario, wrong reasoning on your part, to put your comment in context, they were loaded up and sent to Treblinka to get them away from their homes, they were forced to leave their homes. This would be to send them back home, encourage them to immigrate legally. I resent your characterization of this and Nazi Germany and what was done with the Jewish population.


Reply 85 - Posted by: 1940s guy, 4/24/2006 5:47:03 PM

The Christians that sat down in the Roman Coliseum waiting to be eaten by the lions probably thought the same as Bush.


Reply 86 - Posted by: jasmine, 4/24/2006 5:56:44 PM

The LAW says deportation is realistic and appropriate. It doesn't say politicians get to ignore the laws and the American people for 20 years, and then make up some new rules to cover their fat rear-ends.

One thing IS realistic though...Mass rejection of politicians who still don't get it.


Reply 87 - Posted by: Dolley Madison, 4/24/2006 6:06:09 PM

Pay attention to Mitt Romney who is thinking about running for the presidency; he is serious about muslims in America, and has put people into the mosques to watch them. I think that he will be serious about illegals.


Reply 88 - Posted by: Landshark, 4/24/2006 6:14:05 PM

If anyone can explain how 12 million people can be sent back to Mexico without turning Mexico into a choas that'd make Iraq look like the 4th of July Fair in Abernathy, Texas, I'd like to hear it.

Further, if anyone on this thread has even passing exposure to econ 101, please explain to us how 12 million people could be removed from the U.S. econom y without causing a depression that'd make the 30's look like the 90's in comparison, let us know.

Illegal immigration can and will be stopped, but it won't be by massive deportations and it won't be by abandoning Bush.

A GW program that requires repatriation would be a HUGE improvement over what we have now....


Reply 89 - Posted by: ivehadit, 4/24/2006 6:17:48 PM

And I tell ya, someone is going to have to invent a nose prosthetic...

As far as I can see, George W. Bush is the most decent, strong, courageous, sturdy and stable leader we have had in a very long time.

And 67% of the country doesn't deserve to have this good man as their president. Apparantly they would like to have a democrat.


Reply 90 - Posted by: mollybob, 4/24/2006 6:19:51 PM

RE: #84
Resent it or not, the Nazi imagery is exactly the way widespread efforts to deport would be portrayed by the media and in the court of world opinion, all of whom already think of conservatives as Nazis.(BTW, consider the meaning of the phrase, "look like" in order to grasp the actual meaning of the statement.)Since the illegals do have homes here, and many would be separated from families, those images--and that analogy--would dominate all the reporting if we were to round them up. Unfortunately, it's a political reality, regardless of the way it might wound our sensibilities.


Reply 91 - Posted by: Tulsa, 4/24/2006 6:21:52 PM

comment #47, remove the period after gov.

should be: comments@whitehouse.gov

no period after gov

'he's proven to be worse than the Clinton administration' ...no he hasn't. nothing could be worse than the clinton admin. immigration is a mess and the dnc will make it 10 times worse.

forget 'fining' employers. jail them. STOP the abuse of the 14th amendment. No birth certif. to/for the chirren of illegals. do that with executive order. issue something if we must, but not a US birth certif.


Reply 92 - Posted by: TiminPhoenix, 4/24/2006 6:22:32 PM

Last year President Bush called the Minutemen, vigilantes.

He did this in front of the Head Parasite, the Commadate of the Invasion, President Fox.

So he insulted Americans who were concerned rightfully over our borders. And you know that ironically, 99% of those Minutemen has "W" stickers on their cars.

I was a huge supporter of his until this. Now if the Democrats, who I hate with a passion do take congress and do attempt to impeach him....

I'll yawn....

I mean, it would be not realistic of me to want to fight their treason, their made up charges...


Reply 93 - Posted by: Halfgenius, 4/24/2006 6:23:58 PM

I'm savvy to the fact that mass deportation won't and can't work, but we cannot continue to allow illegals to flow over the border and continue to use this mass deportation as a reason for not sending them back. The correct way is to go after employers that employ illegals, stop the anchor baby process and seal the borders and THEN deal with what we have left. We are rapidly coming to the end of the social service rope and the ability to mantain our social services without massive increases in public aid, which in voting parlance is steep increase in taxes. If we don't increase taxes there is going to be hell to pay and very few left which can pay it! If we do increase taxes the same will occur. Take your pick of which you'd prefer as a American citizen trying cope with rising fuel and energy prices and trying to make ends meet.


Reply 94 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 4/24/2006 6:29:47 PM

Nickels and dimes add up to dollars; they came over in nickels and dimes. And would people please lay off the 1930s depression, massive deportation talk? Our INS can barely find jail space for a truckload of Mexicans, much less deal with 12 million of them. It’s not going to happen.

Nickel and diming is the best we will be able to do. And making those already here less welcome will help discourage others who may be planning to come.

As someone once said - a journey begins with but a single step.


Reply 95 - Posted by: Chance, 4/24/2006 6:36:52 PM

The American citizens keep coming up with this very novel idea, and is continually ignored.
Their answer is : Stop the gravey train of benefits, jail terms for those that encourage and hire illegals, and the problem will take care of itself.
Guess that is too simple for Wasington to understand.


Reply 96 - Posted by: TheMotherCO, 4/24/2006 6:48:46 PM

Now that all the little Judas' have had their say - what you going to do with the other borders? The Mexican border is not the only one and GW is not the only president in the USA who has had this problem. Very funny to see all the old reliable trashers of the President on here.


Reply 97 - Posted by: nevernaught, 4/24/2006 6:54:27 PM

Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) read the speech and did not attend. He felt that he couldn't applaud most parts of the speech and since he would be standing in back of the President it would be too evident.

What a can do attitude we have today. There are over 12 million criminal invaders in the country now and oh me what can we do. If FDR could put citizens in camps during war time, why not non citizens. Let the roundup begin.

By the way, there are Black organizations supporting the minutemen now. This movement will probably grow.


Reply 98 - Posted by: LComStaff3, 4/24/2006 7:06:55 PM

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